All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Edwardian : Pre 1930 item #1343572
A very pretty 14K gold and pink sapphire solitaire ring. The oval brilliant-cut sapphire has a nice raspberry pink color that shows well in the high cathedral-style setting. The sapphire has very good clarity and does not show indications of any heat or other treatment. The shank is enhanced with white gold floral elements on either side of the sapphire. The interior of the shank is marked “14K”. The ring would be perfect as a colored stone engagement ring.

Origin: America, ca. 1920...

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Modernism : Pre 1980 item #1108369 (stock #111030)
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This bracelet has a beautiful deisign. The decorative face measures 2" x 1 1/2. The band portion has a hinged closure and is thin with a scalloped design.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Pre 1970 item #1129843 (stock #J1946)
This handsome pin is simple yet smart, hand wrought with incised details. It is formed as a jagged-edge leaf and bears the mark of Bob Ford, Canada; it is also marked handmade. Ford was a founding member in 1946 of the Ontario Metal Arts Guild, according to an internet source. The pin tests as sterling although it is not marked for silver content. It measures 1 ¾ inches long by 1 ½ inches wide. Weight: 6.3 grams
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Scandinavian : Pre 1980 item #975720 (stock #2359 *)

Owe Johansson modernist sterling silver bracelet

Finland

1972

Round shield - 3" in diameter

Interior circumference 7 1/2" - 8"

In very good vintage condition

See previous listing for matching necklace

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1970 item #1450325 (stock #15516)
Less-is-more would be the term I would use to describe this Carmen Beckmann modernist ring if it weren’t for that stone! Molten caramel golds fill the tiger’s eye slab almost in an ombre arrangement so that the ring changes the way it looks as the light that hits it changes...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Other Metals : Modernist : Pre 1950 item #1434907 (stock #3721)

Modernist Austrian enamel bracelet⁠

7" x 3/4"⁠

Excellent vintage condition⁠

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Strands : Pre 1980 item #1264953
A graduated salmon-colored branch coral necklace strung on string. Gold plate clasp.Length 16". US shipping only.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Other Metals : Pre 1930 item #1088401 (stock #J1640a)
This lovely mesh handbag features painted flowers in pinks and greens on a whitish background. The yellow metal frame exhibits embossed scrolling and two decorative rings to which the chain is attached. The chain is composed of alternating oblong and figure-eight links. The silk lining is intact, but is wrinkled and shows two stained areas. There are no gaps in the meshwork, and all links appear to be intact. There is no wear to the decorative painting...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Modernism : Pre 1960 item #1367412 (stock #3849)

Rebajes modernist sterling silver and brass tie bar and cuff link set

Weight - 41 grams

Tie bar - 3/8" x 3"

Cuff links - 3/4" square

Marked Rebajes

Very good vintage condition, minor wear to finish

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Period : Pre 1950 item #630144 (stock #0938)
A nice 2-1/2" x 2-1/4" sterling silver layered brooch with safety catch in the form of a pair of young deer c1930s-40s. Marked simply STERLING, one deer is silver and the other has a rose gold wash over the silver. It weighs 14.2 grams and it is in excellent original condition with no dents, bends, corrosion, losses, damage or repairs. All items are thoroughly and conservatively graded and all condition issues are noted; all items are secondhand and may have slight signs of gentle use...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Designer : Pre 1950 item #1152023
This Joseff of Hollywood crab, shell and 13 mm pearl brooch is in excellent condition. The mysteries of the Middle East influenced this design.

The detailed modeling is in the Russian gold finish they made famous for its photographic effect. The crab sits on a scallop shell and holds a large and lustrous simulated pearl. It is hallmarked Joseff signature on an applied plaque. It is 2" x 2 1/4".

Joseff was the jeweler for the Hollywood movie moguls form 1930-1948...

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Designer : Pre 1970 item #1318837
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Vintage 1960s necklace with topaz glass strands and centerpiece with topaz prong set rhinestones layered with matching wired glass beads, with matching clip earrings, all mounted in goldtone metal. The necklace terminals are openwork cast goldtone metal. With hook clasp and extender chain. The earrings are hand wired. The necklace has a plate on the back of the rhinestone center. The design and hand made construction of this set have a very French look...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Native American : Pre 1980 item #447004
This is a Signed: Ma Atsidii ... STERLING & TURQUOISE RING. Unusual
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1980 item #1436781 (stock #TR1102)
A unique 14Kt yellow gold and diamond heart necklace is set with 12 full cut diamonds. The solid gold heart has a beaded design and slides on a 16” long 14Kt yellow gold chain. The approximate total weight of all diamonds is 0.30Ct.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Arts and Crafts : Pre 1940 item #1434212 (stock #JJ3808)
An Arts and Crafts hand made acid etched brooch in German Silver or Pewter by the documented Chicago firm, BRANDT that was active 1914-1923. Signed with an impressed BRANDT.

Measures 2 1/2" long and 5/8" wide. Not flat but curved for an interesting effect. Has a replaced rollover clasp that holds securely.

Classic design.

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Bakelite : Pre 1940 item #632108
This fabulous buckle bracelet has a white buckle 2 1/2" x 2 1/4" hinged to the lipstick 1 3/8" red band. You will notice in the pictures that there are two hinges to facilitate putting it on. The inside dimensions 2 5/16" x 2 1/4".
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Victorian : Pre 1910 item #776398 (stock #5807)
A 10k rose gold pink cameo stickpin circa 1895. This late Victorian 2-1/2" stickpin has a carved pink coral 1 x 1/2" lady portrait cameo mounted in 10k rose gold. This pin is stamped 10K GOLD and it has a deep pin mount (7/16" from back to pin) for possible wear on a heavy scarf or jacket. It weighs 2.9 grams and it is in excellent original condition with no chips, cracks, dents, bends, corrosion, losses, damage or repairs...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Pre 1970 item #1284555 (stock #C-J0015)
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$1,675.00
In excellent condition, this vintage 7.5" gold link bracelet is marked "14K" and weighs approximately 33 grams.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Modernism : Pre 1950 item #1104842 (stock #md1111)
carol lane
$1800.00
Early large Sam Kramer sterling screwback earrings with moonstones and opals. Dimensional and in two movable parts they each measure 2" long by almost 1" wide. Each is signed. Excellent condition......$35 for insured US shipping.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Designer Signed : Pre 1980 item #1369489
An uncommon pair of large "X" earrings by Paloma Picasso for Tiffany & Co. One arm of each earring is worked in platinum and set with round brilliant diamonds (G/VS1). This design is uncommon in the large size and very difficult to find with diamonds. The earrings retain the original posts and omega clips...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Ethnic : Native American : Pre 1960 item #723239 (stock #MJ0122)
carol lane
$65.00
Handmade Navajo silver child's cuff, c.1960's or earlier. It measures 3/8" wide and the inside is 1 5/8" by 2 1/8" and has stamped Navajo designs. Unsigned, it's in excellent condition with a nice patina....$8 for insured US shipping.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Victorian : Pre 1900 item #1485474
An early Victorian 14K yellow gold locket enhanced with a pretty design of painted enamel roses and taille d'epargne tracery. The exposed gold surfaces are further decorated with engraving...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Designer : Pre 1960 item #1019899
This Juliana brooch is 2 3/8" in diameter. Reference: Juliana Jewelry Reference by Ann Pitman page 148.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1960 item #1312543
An elegant pair of 18K yellow gold earclips, each featuring a cluster of round green tourmalines surrounded by a looping double border of gold. The tourmalines are have fine, saturated color, excellent cut and excellent clarity. The earrings are marked “18K”. The clips could easily be changed to posts.

Origin: America, ca. 1955. Condition: excellent. Dimensions: 3/4" diameter. Weight: 10.1 gr. Approximate Total Gemstone Weight: 4.9 cts.

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Edwardian : Pre 1920 item #965514 (stock #6257)
A vintage c1910 top-hinged photo locket fob pendant in 14k yellow gold with an inset genuine antique European cut 12 point (by gauge) diamond. The back has an inscription stating: "PRESENTED TO T.A. EATON BY MEMBERS OF PASSENGER DEPT G.T.R. MARCH 1910", and it has a 14K gold mark. The famous Timothy Eaton family of Toronto were involved with the Grand Trunk Railroad at this time - it is most likely that T.A. Eaton was Thomas Alden Eaton, son of James Eaton and nephew of Timothy Eaton. He served ...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1960 item #1203883 (stock #ffstoryearri)
Superb Far Fan story teller earrings. Matches to Story Teller Necklace already listed on my site. 1.5in. tall and 1.5in. across the bottom base of earring. These are for pierced ears.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1970 item #949258
A nice pair of vintage “Sputnik” earrings set with citrines. This style was popularized by H. Stern in the 1950s as a way to show of the company’s unparalleled access to the world’s finest colored gemstones. The design eventually became known as “Sputnik” because of the perceived resemblance to the Soviet satellite active during the early years of the space race. Generally, Sputnik pieces were set with multi-colored stones, but occasionally a piece turns up set only with one stone...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Modernism : Pre 1980 item #1174227 (stock #J2226)
Composed of nine panels with a horizontal raised design on a highly oxidized background. It is marked 925 for sterling silver and has a secure box clasp. The bracelet measures 7 inches long by ½ inch wide. Weight: 20.9 grams
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Scandinavian : Pre 1980 item #1434888 (stock #1275)
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Outrageous space age, modernist 14K gold ring by Elis Kauppi for Finnish firm Kupittaank Kulta. Circa 1960s or 70s. With three small diamonds. Marked with Kupittaan Kulta Oy's 'anvil' shaped hallmark, and 585 for 14K Gold Purity Mark. Size 7. Excellent condition.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Unsigned : Pre 1980 item #1123950
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Very glam vintage circa 1960 or 1970 French necklace of gathered goldtone mesh and snake chains, with a center element of poured glass beads and prong set aurora borealis stones, and two tassels with matching poured glass beads in pink, peach, and green, with matching faux pearls. Hook clasp with matching bead. Wearable length is 27 inches. The center drop is 6 1/4 inches. Excellent condition. There is some slight verdigris at the top of the tassels and in the wiring of some of the beads...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1980 item #1402715 (stock #TR1046)
This size 6 14Kt yellow gold eternity band is channel-set with 25 brilliant cut diamonds. The approximate total weight of all diamonds is 1.00 Ct. The ring is 3 millimeter wide, and it cannot be sized.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Cufflinks and Accessories : Silver : Pre 1970 item #1190396 (stock #J2398)
A streamlined, classic design of an oval amber mounted in a bezel setting. The cuff links appear hardly worn; the amber exhibits no scratches or other signs of wear. The anchor buttons are undecorated silver; the hinge is in good working order and the bridge bars are secure. They are marked 835 for silver content, with a maker’s mark of a stylized fish, probably for the German firm of Fischlandschmuck. The amber buttons measure ¾ inch by 5/16 inch.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Cufflinks and Accessories : Gold : Pre 1940 item #1455867
A terrific pair of 14K yellow gold cufflinks, each fashioned as a pair of ridged spheres topped with round sapphires. The gemstones have a nice medium-light violet-blue color that contrasts nicely with the gold. Tested and guaranteed 14K.

Origin: America, ca. 1940. Condition: excellent. Size: 3/4" x 7/16". Weight: 6.4 grams. Approximate Total Gemstone Weight: .392 carat.

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Pre 1960 item #728030 (stock #0728)
This ship's wheel is a great charm. It is sterling silver and works well. The dial is under a glass top and moves accurately. The back is marked STERLING. The charm has good heft and is in excellent condition.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Designer Signed : Pre 1950 item #386073
This STERLING SWAN is a Designer piece from a Florida, U.S.A. Estate. This SWAN measures 1 1/4" X 2 1/2". Marked on the back: BRAMMER/ STERLING/ DENMARAK. Circa 1950-1975 the Condition is EXCELLENT... VERY NICE
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Cufflinks and Accessories : Pre 1950 item #710709 (stock #gam-12)
This very fine pair of Modernist sterling silver pyramid rope form cufflinks could have come from the fashion pages of any current menswear magazine, circa 1945, toggle backs, marked on the back STERLING; Measurements: 5/8 in long x 1/4 in. wide; Excellent condition; may need cleaning.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Designer Signed : Pre 1980 item #940602
A classic gold “Open Heart” pendant in the large size by Tiffany & Co. Created by Elsa Peretti, this design has become one of Tiffany’s most popular and identifiable designs. This pendant is currently available in three sizes, this version (27mm) being the largest. The pendant is suspended from its original Tiffany chain. The back of the pendant is signed “Elsa Peretti” and both the pendant and chain are fully hallmarked by Tiffany & Co. This piece is currently available at Tiffa...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Deco : Pre 1940 item #850069
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Beautiful Art Deco diamond and emerald ring in white gold. Circa 1930. Marked 14K. With a center square cut diamond of about 4 mm by 4 mm, or .40 carat, and ten other small round diamonds including four at 2 mm and six at 1 mm. With two emeralds of about 1 mm by just under 2 mm. It weighs 2 grams. Ring size 7. The top is 3/8 inch by 5/16 inch. Excellent condition. Photos enlarged to show detail.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Designer : Pre 1980 item #1190133 (stock #150954724372)
This gold tone Ciner fish brooch ids 2" x 3 1/4". The eye & band around the top of fish are garnet colored rhinestone the rest are clear. Condition is excellent.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Victorian : Pre 1910 item #1393086
A handsome Victorian gentleman's ring in a substantial 14K gold setting. The ring features a masculine brown smoky quartz with flashes of goldish-orange brilliance. The setting is enhanced with ornate strapwork against a stippled background. The setting holds the stone well above the finger and the overall look is very weighty. The interior of the shank is stamped "14k."
  • Origin: America, ca. 1900.
  • Condition: excellent; sharp detail.
  • Finger Size: 10-1/4.
  • Dimensions:...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Art Nouveau : Pre 1910 item #1491794
A rare Art Nouveau brooch worked in 18K gold depicting Eros, the Greek god of love and harmony. “Amor” is the Latin version of his name, and English-speakers usually refer to him as “Cupid.” He is shown here with a quiver of arrows used to inflame love in the hearts of his targets. The quiver’s strap is set with small rose cut diamonds for an added bit of sparkle. The name “Amor” is included in the design to the left of Amor’s head. The brooch is signed “F Vernon” for Frédé...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1940 item #1479160 (stock #408)
A superb early vintage Mexican Silver Bracelet by the famous Matilde Poulat aka MATL. Features her signature ornate silver work and a lovely combination of Coral and Turquoise cabochon stones. Measures 7" long, 1 1/2" wide and is quite heavy at 79.5 grams. With the early hallmark "Matl, 0.925, Hecho en Mexico, D.F. MATL" which dates the bracelet to the 1934-48 time period. (Mark is a bit worn). In good condition with a secure box clasp. A fantastic bracelet by this highly sought after artist.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1960 item #1410556
A wonderful vintage 14K gold acrostic charm using the first letters of each of the gemstones ( Diamond/Emerald/Amethyst/Ruby/Emerald/Sapphire/Topaz) to spell out the secret message “Dearest”. Acrostic jewelry first appeared in the 18th century and remained popular, though somewhat uncommon, throughout the Victorian era. The gold is enhanced with bright-cut engraving a pattern like that seen on sundials. This piece was most likely intended for a charm bracelet, but it could easily be worn as ...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Victorian : Pre 1900 item #1402080
A fine Victorian 18K yellow gold fancy link long chain necklace. The 47” chain has ornate scrolling plaques separated by smaller simple links. The fancy links are further highlighted with rope-twist and beaded decoration. The generous length allows the chain to be worn doubled or tripled. Necklaces of this style are distinctly French and were popular from the Second Empire through the beginning of the 20th century. This example is stamped with French 18K gold hallmarks.
  • Origin: France,...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Cufflinks and Accessories : Gold : Pre 1980 item #1094778
An outstanding pair of modernist 18K yellow gold and blue topaz cufflinks by exclusive Brazilian jewelry designer Haroldo Burle Marx. He is known for his bold use of colorful, large gemstones native to Brazil. His designs for men's jewelry are extremely uncommon. Each cufflink is roughly formed as a highly-polished "c" enclosing a Florentine-finished background. A brilliant oval blue topaz completes each cufflink. The gemstones are fine quality, graded as very slightly bluish-green hue with...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Scandinavian : Pre 1980 item #1451920
A rare sterling overscale hinged six panel bracelet in an overlapping petal motif by Danish Modernist Bent Knudsen. Each heavy gauge silver petal has a slightly concave design, is hinged and has a smooth edge. The clasp is an ingenious screw bolt. It measures 7 " end to end, is 2" wide and weighs a very substantial 138 grams. The scale and weight set this bracelet apart from all others of similar design. Fine original condition and signed and numbered as shown. A very bold, beautiful, powerful p...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Native American : Pre 1980 item #1090135 (stock #1109)
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This large, Native American Navajo style ring displays a central, bezel set, large, onyx stone measuring 3/4" x 1/2". Each side displays the Thunderbird emblem: wonderfully detailed. It is a size 11. The inside is marked 925. This ring has good heft and is in excellent condition.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Other Metals : Modernist : Pre 1980 item #1486112 (stock #JJ4828)
A vintage hand made large pendant of a nude woman reminiscent of the work of Carl Tasha or Richard Kaish in bronze or brass.

The pendant measures 4" long and 3" at the widest. It has lots of detail.

Currently suspended from a neck ring that measures about 18" around with an opening of 1". There is some flexibility to adjust the size. The neck ring has light hammering and a bronze colored wash. It could also be worn on a thick chain or cord due to the large bale.

The pendant ha...

All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1950 item #1090253 (stock #rmturqbracel)
This is a pre-1948 Rafael Melendez bracelet that is so deeply chased and designed so beautifully. It is 1 inch wide and can fit a large range of sizes. The weight is 43 grams of thick silver. It has a turquoise stone that is gorgeous and has changed into over time a warmer tone of blue green. This piece is collector quality and a real treasure.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Cufflinks and Accessories : Gold : Pre 1960 item #712124 (stock #gam-17)
This is a handsome set of 14K gold and onyx square shaped cufflinks, the brushed gold face so finely made that it appears to look like a glimmering piece of raw silk, with a thin black onyx border, toggle stamped 14K and makers mark and 14K stamped on back. Wt: 14.7 g. Measurements: 10/16 in diameter, Condition is excellent.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1980 item #1475442 (stock #15261a)
One of my favorite female designers of Mexico's 20th c. Silver Renaissance (and admittedly, they aren't so many to begin with), Carmen Beckmann was a rather flexible maestra, able to create in many different styles. using a variety of materials. Her jewelry can be massive and jaw-dropping but quite as easily delicate and more sophisticated. The bracelet I am presenting here I call rare not so much for its design (which I have not seen before) but primarily for the scarcely seen snowflake obsidia...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1940 item #1482084 (stock #450)
Two Silver Doves
$1,900.00
This is a stunning necklace with a timeless elegance by the famous and highly sought after Fred Davis. It consists of three rows of silver half domes that slightly overlap and when closed creates a continuous design. It is in good condition with no signs of damage or repair, measures 16" long by 1" wide, and weighs 68.2 grams. Hallmarked "FD, Silver Mexico". This is an exceptional Mexican Silver Necklace and a rare find for those who love and collect the finest vintage Mexican Silver.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Platinum : Vintage : Pre 1970 item #1317940 (stock #TR776)
This very elegant platinum ring is set with two 5 mm round natural emeralds, ten tapered diamond baguettes in two quarter – circles, and two smaller round diamonds. The approximate total weight of the emeralds is 1.50Ct and the diamond weight totals approximately 0.50 Ct.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Period : Pre 1960 item #1414812
A particularly nice mid-century 14K yellow begging poodle pin, the eyes, nose and tongue set with bright cabochon rubies. The dog is completed with a white gold collar set with diamonds. The gold has a Florentine finish to represent the clipped areas of fur. The brightness of the rubies and the perky attitude sets this poodle pin apart. The clasp is marked "14K."
  • Origin: America, ca. 1950
  • Condition: excellent, all original
  • Dimensions: 1-3/4” x 1”
  • Weight: 11.0 g...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Gold : Victorian : Pre 1940 item #1406926
A nice bracelet comprising twelve Victorian era 14K and 10K gold slides. The slides are in various styles, but are all original to the Victorian period. Slide bracelets enjoyed a moment of popularity in the 1930s when older Victorian pieces were dismantled and converted into a new style of charm bracelets. The first, tenth, eleventh and twelfth slides (L to R in the first photo) are 10K. The others are 14K. The diamonds, opals, turquoise and pearls are natural; the sapphires and rubies are glass...
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Mexican : Pre 1960 item #1483813 (stock #8881800)
The "Silver By Toño" hallmark was used from 1948-1953. For the discerning collector of Mexican silver - this bracelet is nothing short of spectacular.

This bracelet alternates five huge amethyst cabochons between repoussé silver shields tipped with silver balls. Closure is a pin on a chain. This design, in a necklace, is shown on p. 96 of Silver Seduction. The amethysts measure 15/16" in diameter.

Closed wearable length is just over 6 1/2". Width is 1 7/16".
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Scandinavian : Georg Jensen : Pre 1930 item #868854
This is a Vintage Georg Jensen Sterling Silver "Tulip" Bracelet #100B. From an affluent DC suburb this GJ measues 7" in length. Compare elsewhere for almost fifteen hundred dollars......our price see below
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Silver : Designer Signed : Pre 1950 item #1033077
This sterling Danecraft thistle bracelet is hallmarked Sterling Reg US Pat. Off. It has 7 very textured and detailed links- they are thistles. Each link is 1 1/4" across by 3/4" wide. This bracelet is 7" long with a secure hook style clasp. It weighs 25.2 grams .
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Designer : Pre 1960 item #1417228
Majolica brooch from Karlsruhe, Germany, c 1960. Low relief geometric design and turquoise crackle glaze. Impressed mark and a Z in black, probably for the decorator. Width "1 ¾ / 4.5 cm. Condition: repair to one corner (cf. pics). What might look like damages in the first photo are just reflections.
All Items : Estate Jewelry : Costume : Unsigned : Pre 1980 item #858349
This Asia figure has flowing robes, cabochon belly and face. This pin appears to be 14K brushed gold finish. This pin is unmarked but probably Marvella or Hattie Carnegie.